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I have a title for my first album, ‘The Rub Factor’. Now I have to write it.
I thought I’d start a new thread based on rubs. Maybe we could list some of our favorites. I think the opening trombone line in Tell Me a Bedtime Story ranks at the top of the list. The way Herbie fits a G# over a Gmaj7 is brilliant. Also the line in Cantaloupe Island over the Dmi chord, C,Eb,C,Eb, F is also a fav.
The rubs seems to usually work because of how VTG and HTG are interacting in the moment.
BTW John Beasley’s tune Bedtime Voyage from his new CD Letter to Herbie is a very clever combination of Tell Me a Bedtime Story and Maiden Voyage.

I ran into Oliver Nelson Jr. at a gig this week. What a nice man! Reminds me that the ascending descending section( starting in the 9th bar of the head) of Stolen Moments had some great RF.

"A short comment: In the years following Bird's death the pundits began to write books on the new music. What they did was to analyze Bird's lines and harmonize them with the implied harmonies rather than the actual harmonies (there's still some of that around today). By doing so, they were in essence neutralizing the "rub" which was the cornerstone of the new music. The very best "rubs" are not telegraphed by the harmony but present as a tantalizing surprise just like a cherry in a fruit salad."

tell me mother, are the changes written in the omnibooks actually the actual harmonies?

db

thanks for the background mother - i started with a yes or no question and if you had left it at that, i would have nothing at all. the landscape with which all this takes place is essential for any kind of understanding, and thanks for the compliment: "real musician"??? nah, this dog's just a pup in training wheels, and always will be...

tomorrow i'm gonna play through those omnibooks and see what i can see, and hear what i can hear, at perhaps one quarter to one third of the original tempos :|

thanks again,

db