Here is a link containing recordings of a workshop conducted by Edgar Varese with Mingus, and Art Farmer, and possibly John LaPorta among others:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2009/06/e ... -mp3s.html
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An open letter from Alice Russell. June 21, 2011, Brookline, Massachusetts. 1. DO NOT make insulting, mean spirited remarks about anyone or their work; there are a plethora of sites where you can rant unfettered. If you attack someone personally, your comments will be removed. You can post it, but I'm not paying for it. Go elsewhere, and let those artists who are actually interested in discussion and learning have the floor. 2. There will be NO posting of or links to copyrighted material without permission of the copyright owner. That's the law. And if you respect the work of people who make meaningful contributions, you should have no problem following this policy. 3. I appreciate many of the postings from so many of you. Please don't feel you have to spend your time "defending" the LCC to those who come here with the express purpose of disproving it. George worked for decades to disprove it himself; if you know his music, there's no question that it has gravity. And a final word: George was famous for his refusal to lower his standards in all areas of his life, no matter the cost. He twice refused concerts of his music at Lincoln Center Jazz because of their early position on what was authentically jazz. So save any speculation about the level of him as an artist and a man. The quotes on our websites were not written by George; they were written by critics/writers/scholars/fans over many years. Sincerely, Alice
An open letter from Alice Russell. June 21, 2011, Brookline, Massachusetts. 1. DO NOT make insulting, mean spirited remarks about anyone or their work; there are a plethora of sites where you can rant unfettered. If you attack someone personally, your comments will be removed. You can post it, but I'm not paying for it. Go elsewhere, and let those artists who are actually interested in discussion and learning have the floor. 2. There will be NO posting of or links to copyrighted material without permission of the copyright owner. That's the law. And if you respect the work of people who make meaningful contributions, you should have no problem following this policy. 3. I appreciate many of the postings from so many of you. Please don't feel you have to spend your time "defending" the LCC to those who come here with the express purpose of disproving it. George worked for decades to disprove it himself; if you know his music, there's no question that it has gravity. And a final word: George was famous for his refusal to lower his standards in all areas of his life, no matter the cost. He twice refused concerts of his music at Lincoln Center Jazz because of their early position on what was authentically jazz. So save any speculation about the level of him as an artist and a man. The quotes on our websites were not written by George; they were written by critics/writers/scholars/fans over many years. Sincerely, Alice
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Sandy,
Thank you so much for sharing these amazing recordings. I've been listening to them for a while now - since you first shared them. My response and the respponse I've heard from other musicians is simple astonishment.
Varese seems so relaxed and understanding of the sounds the jazz musicians are making from their unique vocabulary. He feels like an explorer in the sound universe who understands what he finds, it's relationship to natural non-tonal composition and sound that he is not creating it himself - simply encouraging and helping isolate it - hear it - from within the heart of the song form.
To me these are jewels of conversation among the artists. And they're very early in the so-called history of free music.
Fantastic. Inspiring...
Thank you so much for sharing these amazing recordings. I've been listening to them for a while now - since you first shared them. My response and the respponse I've heard from other musicians is simple astonishment.
Varese seems so relaxed and understanding of the sounds the jazz musicians are making from their unique vocabulary. He feels like an explorer in the sound universe who understands what he finds, it's relationship to natural non-tonal composition and sound that he is not creating it himself - simply encouraging and helping isolate it - hear it - from within the heart of the song form.
To me these are jewels of conversation among the artists. And they're very early in the so-called history of free music.
Fantastic. Inspiring...
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bobappleton
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slonimsky on varese: http://www.archive.org/details/OnVareseIonization
zappa and slonimsky make music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ5smWZB ... re=related
zappa and slonimsky make music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ5smWZB ... re=related